[Grades] Grades v. Thunder 11/7/17

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by Tetsujin, Nov 7, 2017.


player of the game

  1. Buddy

    40 vote(s)
  2. Fox

    6 vote(s)
  3. Z-Bo

    4 vote(s)
  4. Justin Jackson

    5 vote(s)
  1. Tetsujin

    Tetsujin The Game Thread Dude


    Bogdan Bogdanovic (C+) -- 21 min, 7 pt, 4 rb, 0 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 2 tov, 2 pf
    Bogy belongs, that much we know. But even with it being clear that he's an NBA player, there are still times where growing pains will rear their ugly heads much as they did during the first half of the Thunders game. On offense, Bogdan spent most of the first quarter overmatched by NBA athleticism in its full glory. On defense, Bogdan was active and surprisingly blocked a few shots for good measure. In the second half, seemingly realizing that whatever he was doing in the first half wasn't working, Bogdan's wiley craftiness was on full display and he added a few buckets to the strong third quarter effort. With Buddy and Justin both playing their best games of the season, the Serb was relegated to bench duty in the fourth quarter but that's not really a knock on the man.

    Zach Randolph (B-) -- 26 min, 18 pt, 8 rb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 6 tov, 2 pf
    And here we had it. Z-Bo in all his ridiculous, inefficient, semi-out-of-control glory. Like your best friend's date to senior prom, Z-Bo showed up to the gym drunk, loosened up, and ready to go... And then he puked on his shoes and went to cry in the bathroom for a hour. But then, when it was time for the slow dance to begin, he reemerged from a toilet stall, eyes red from the crying, mascara hastily and drunkenly reapplied, and gave his boyfriend the dance of his life. Then, when the lights went up and it was time to call it a night, he tripped over his own two feet and ripped his dress and cried until he passed out in his date's backseat. It was, nevertheless, a night to remember.

    Willie Caulie-Stein (C+) -- 21 min, 7 pt, 5 rb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 2 tov, 2 pf
    Willie's been getting a lot of flack around these parts for a while now so I think it's probably only fair if I came out and admitted to being a bit of a Trill apologist. While I can see how the perceived lack of aggression and failure to provide the "as advertised" two blocks a night and rim protection can be completely grating, I believe that Willie is still nowhere near as broken a prospect as some posters here would like you to believe. With his occasionally odd demeanor, strange insistence on developing his offensive game, and misunderstood artistic outlook (see his trip to Vietnam this summer), Willie is the 2017 Sacramento Kings equivalent of J.D. Salinger. By the end of the day, you're going to have a definitive opinion, good or bad. As he's turned into a better offensive player than defender in his short professional career, good defensive nights like tonight can serve as a reminder of the unique role Willie can serve on a good team going forward.

    Garrett Temple (C+) -- 30 min, 8 pt, 5 rb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 2 pf
    By a certain point, you run out of things to say when a guy's been as solid as Garrett Temple has been for the Kings during the entirety of his time with the franchise. This season, Temple has been our most prolific three point shooter, which may be more of a sign that our offense is sputtering than anything else, and he was largely money on those catch-and-shoot threes from the corner against the Thunder. While a lot of the Thunder's struggle can be attributed to the too many cooks syndrome that can sometimes affect a superteam, GT played the collection of all-stars as well as any player really could.

    George Hill (C-) -- 24 min, 1 pt, 5 rb, 3 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 2 pf
    So this grade gave me a lot of trouble. On one hand, your highly paid starting point guard only giving you one point is less than acceptable. On the other hand, it's hard to say that George was particularly bad. On defense, he and GT pestered Russ all night and, on offense, he was never out of sync with the rest of the team (aside from everyone being out of sync with everyone in the first quarter) in the same way that Buddy was when he was being horrible at the starting two spot. When he was randomly brought in to close the game with less than a minute left, he managed to score his first and only point of the game on a free throw attempt. He then badly missed the second one. Such was George Hill's night.

    De'Aaron Fox (B-) -- 23 min, 10 pt, 2 rb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 5 tov, 2 pf
    Poor, fat Raymond Felton. Somehow finding a way to remain in the league as a backup point guard despite being a national object of ridicule since his stint in New York seemingly 100 years ago, it must have hurt whatever was left of Felton's pride to have completely lapped by De'Aaron Fox in the head-on competition of backup point guards. In the first half, De'Aaron was a facilitator, coming into the game after the starters completely diarrhea-ed all over themselves. With Buddy and Jackson absolutely erupting against the fleshy Thunder bench underbelly, Fox was completely willing to feed the hot hand and play solid defense on the backend. In his second half stint, De'Aaron made his mark as a scorer, his speed and great off-the-ball action leading to several highlight plays. As a capper, Fox made a nice wrap-around pass on the drive to Z-Bo, essentially killing any OKC hope of winning the game. Good defense, solid offense in almost every facet of the game. The only negative came in the form of his five turnovers but, once again, what more do you want from a 19-year-old rookie?

    Justin Jackson (B+) -- 30 min, 16 pt, 4 rb, 0 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 0 tov, 3 pf
    And welcome to the NBA, Justin Jackson. On a night where he would be facing two of the best small forwards in the league in Paul George and Carmelo Anthony (now really more of a 4 than anything), the rookie wound up looking more than up to the task. The key thing to realize about Jackson is that while he isn't the most explosive athlete in the league, he is an incredibly smooth player who moves well off the ball and can operative perfectly within the confines of a team game. Though his outside shot largely continues to evade him, Justin was in the perfect position for the catch-and-shoot at almost every available opportunity and just seemed to make all the right cuts for De'Aaron to deliver perfect passes to him all night. On defense, largely held his own against the much bigger and stronger Carmelo and George, which is probably more than you should rightfully expect from a dude who looks like he's trying out for your local high school's JV team next week.

    Buddy Hield (A) -- 27 min, 21 pt, 7 rb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 3 pf
    Well that's more like it. When Buddy was sent to the bench, I, conditioned to expect a Kings shooting guard's production to crater the second his butt hit bine, feared the worst would happen. Buddy, much to his credit, appears to have eschewed the Marcus Thornton/Marco Bellinelli route of sucking eggs and sulking as a bench guy and has rather embraced the role of second unit scorer guy. And score he did, only taking nine shots to achieve an incredibly efficient 21 point night, also snagging 7 boards for good measure. Buddy's also shown a surprising commitment to the defensive end of the court this season and didn't look particularly outmatched going against the Thunder perimeter guys (although he spent more time on the benignly terrible at offense Andre Roberson than anyone else). If this is what Bench Buddy looks like, that's one less problem Joerger and his staff has to worry about going forward.

    Kosta Koufos (inc.) -- 9 min, 2 pt, 3 rb, 0 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 0 tov, 0 pf
    Played a short stint in the first half then left as Joerger went small with either Z-Bo or Willie as the only big on the court. Came back into the game midway into the second half and was summarily smashed in the face by Russell Westbrook and left the game before he could get into any sort of rhythm. On the night, with Z-Bo looking like Memphis Z-Bo, wasn't particularly needed either way.

    Skal Labissiere (D) -- 10 min, 2 pt, 3 rb, 0 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 4 pf
    Ugh. After a promising start to the season, Skal, much like the Kings team as a whole has leveled off some, all of his faults completely on display. While Skal can at times be a smooth, efficient scoring machine, he can also be alternatively a weak, no rebounding skinny dude with absolutely no feel for the game of basketball. It was unfortunately the latter that was on display against the Thunder as the Haitian wracked up three fouls in his first stint and just sorta disappeared from there. Skal spent most of his time matched up Patrick Patterson, which considering P-Pat's outside-in game, should have been an ideal matchup to hide the man on defense. While Patterson didn't really explode, Skal's continual lack of basketball awareness resulted in him misplaying several plays and those aforementioned fouls.

    Vince Carter (C) -- 14 min, 2 pt, 1 rb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 2 pf
    The ancient one gave another solid, workman-like vet performance tonight. While spectacular is probably out of the man's vocabulary as a basketball player at this point in his career, Vince was a steadying force on a night where youthful exuberance and an occasionally out of control Z-Bo ruled the night. In his short time as a King, Carter has found a role not as our backup small forward but rather as a smallball power foward, something that Joerger can get away with in the modern NBA where all the skilled big men are either centers or dead. The numbers haven't been spectacular but Vince has earned his contract as the seminal glue guy out to make sure the kids get to bed on time.
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2017
  2. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    Kings.......win? Kings Win?? KINGS WIN
  3. upinsmoke

    upinsmoke Well-Known Member

    I voted for Buddy but it was close. Justin looks really solid on both sides of the ball.
  4. SLAB

    SLAB Well-Known Member

    Other; Carmelo Anthony


    (Real vote; Buddy. His outburst off the bench gave the team the spark to propel us to victory. Even with the Thunder looking as awful as they were we couldn't have survived not scoring for much longer)
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  5. Kings Faithful

    Kings Faithful Well-Known Member

    Buddy and Jackson were great..... but I really felt Fox's impact in the second half. He kept us ahead with good defense, easy baskets, and clutch assists right when teams usually make there move to finish us off.
  6. Spike

    Spike Well-Known Member

    Cooley is the real hero here. Let's not deny it.
  7. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    What a great win!!!!

    Hill: D, played good defense but could not get anything going on offense. He just floated out there.
    Bogdanovic: D+, horrible 1st half, but picked it up in the 2nd half with a few good buckets and solid D.
    Temple: A, great game. He stepped up and took big shots and played great defense throughout.
    Randolph: B, started off the game horribly with a bunch of unforced turnovers. Second half was a 180.
    WCS: C+, good energy and solid all-around game.

    Fox: B-, played good defense and his scoring picked up at the end. However, he had way too many errant passes and turnovers
    Buddy: A+, GREAT GAME. He single handily brought this team back with his offense. Should've played more minutes tonight. He made a lot of good passes that went unassisted.
    Jackson: B+, played a very good game. His shots weren't falling, but he was constantly finding soft zones for open good looks. Didn't back down from any defensive assignments.
    Skal: D, not a good game. Didn't do anything relevant tonight
    Carter: C, solid good minutes from the vet.
  8. Gliesian

    Gliesian Well-Known Member

    Have the jitters left our younglings?
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  9. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    Buddy coming off the bench was the best decision ever, it will be better for his development as a player doesn't put so much pressure on his offense and confidence.. He can watch for a bit to get the feel for the game before coming in as well. He's also been rebounding better off the bench, which is a nice asset to have for a SG
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  10. Joshoua

    Joshoua Well-Known Member

    Jackson will be a very good role player like his game
  11. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    D+? Seriously?

    I don't know what Bogs ever did to you, but you seem ill inclined to ever say anything less than negative about him.
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  12. The Hammer

    The Hammer Well-Known Member

    Here's your glimpse ladies and gentlemen.

    Now we see Vlade's vision.

    When we come out of nowhere people are going to say we came out of nowhere.
  13. steelevt

    steelevt Well-Known Member

    Well it was a D+. I say the plus is technically positive.
  14. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    7 rebounds for Buddy off the bench :eek:
  15. sactowndog

    sactowndog Active Member

    I had the same thought. Bogdan played good D. ZBo never kicks the ball out. The man is a black hole. Went okay today but would like to see more ball movement.
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  16. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    At what point did Bogdanovic play a good game? He started the game 0-4 with 2tos. He was tasked with guarding Andre Roberson which isn't much of a task.... He played a very sloppy game all-around game. Not sure why anyone would grade him positively. He ended up playing 21mins and got 7pts 0asts 4rebs 2blks 2tos on 2-8 from the field. 2 of his points were gifted to him on a false flagrant call that should've been a foul on Bogdanovic.

    Not seeing where he played a good game. He was one of our worst players in the 1st half, but played solidly in the 2nd half.

    I'm critical of all our players, not just Bogdanovic. I'm harder when evaluating him compared to our other rookies because he's already 25. He's not a 19yearold like Fox or a 22yearold like Jackson. Because of his age and overseas experience in Euroleague and FIBA, in theory, he should be further on the basketball curve than either of those guys.
  17. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    Bogie didn't have a good game. He did some good things during the game like the two blocked shots and that nice 3 with the shot clock running down but overall he was a net negative.

    Hield was awesome. Without his play in the 2nd, the Kings more than likely wilt and lose by 20.

    Jackson with a career game. Good to see him get assisted on some easy buckets. In fact it was good to see a few guys get assisted like that.

    Fox had good and bad moments. In the next year or so, those layups will start falling and the officials will start blowing the whistle when he gets whacked in the paint. He created a lot of wide open 3's by getting penetration into the paint and then kicking it out. Which is basically how almost every team has beaten us this year.

    ZBo continues to either be our worst player or our best player depending on what quarter it is. Glad he morphed into prime ZBo in the second half there.

    Joerger is still doing some goofy stuff out there but at least he had the gall to make a rotation change earlier than normal....even if it wasn't the correct change by pulling WCS out instead of Randolph. Icing Hield for nearly the entire 3rd quarter wasn't a good move either. I'm not as low on the Hill call at the end because a guy like George Hill should know how to close out games better than Fox. I don't know what's up with Hill but we need this guy to pull his head out of his you know what and at least play well enough to net us a late first rounder at some point this year.
  18. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Other than the 1st quarter, this game was fun to watch. Am beginning to believe in Jackson. Buddy coming off the bench was the right move - for him.
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  19. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    Tale of two "cities" or halves I should say. Zach had the best of times & the worst here. He gets my vote for the comeback. It's hilarious seeing him play too, his body not quite as reliable any more as his mind is, to see him mishap then later manhandle was something else.
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  20. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    Carmelo was nasty out there, giving cheap shots, slapping away hands on him. Was rather unusual seeing him that frustrated.
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  21. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    Zach is a center at this age, he has the strength and length but not the height. He cannot guard all these fast and mobile with outside shooting present day stretch 4's and smallball 4's
  22. Siranthony

    Siranthony Well-Known Member

    I'm excited about this team. I didn't let the road trip bother me too much. Nice to see some potential tonight.

    I voted for Buddy. But I see Jackson was +14. Between Hield, Fox and Jackson we have a great young core to build on. Not to mention Bogs, Skal.
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  23. John Galt

    John Galt Well-Known Member

    Brutal score on Bogs - I was watching him the whole game and he had a lot of great def plays, poke-aways and intangibles. lots of talking on defense. he was terrific.
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  24. pshn80

    pshn80 Well-Known Member

    I was there and thought he played well though not super. In my experience he always plays well. He plays like he is 25 and a lot of good experience. Right now he is clearly the best player 25 or under. He adds sound quality to good team basketball every time he is out there. Jackson is showing some of the same qualities. That’s why I think Bogs should get no less than a C. Otherwise good grading.
  25. John Galt

    John Galt Well-Known Member

    I guess it's good that you have the bar high... I guess I can see a down score. It's just that I love watching the guy out there so I'm seeing thru rose colored... all good.
  26. eMBarkat10n

    eMBarkat10n Active Member

    Buddy Buckets gets my vote tonight. He was amazing.


    Bogdan is going to, one day, be an All-Star. Starter.
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  27. gunks

    gunks Well-Known Member

    I missed the game, but I notice that when Bogs has a terrible boxscore like tonight, people always come to his defense.

    I've seen one of his "bad" games, and he never really looks like he's having a bad game when you watch him.

    Gotta love players with intangibles.

    Props to Buddy for continuing to beast it off the bench. I hope he can keep this up!
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  28. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    where is the option for the OKC players for player(s) of the game? They played terrible. Chucked a lot and missed even more. Look at that minute distribution, gotta keep everyone happy I suppose.
  29. King Baller

    King Baller Well-Known Member

    IMO players who play good D all get a C+. Players who stand up to being punked by Carmelo also get a C+, I"m looking at you Skal:) Bogie's 2 blocks came at crucial points as did Willie's. Justin Jackson was 7 for 14:) Otherwise I agree completely with you:)

    OKC came in to the arena to treat the Kings like a door mat. They had an off shooting night and in the 2nd quarter hit a buzz saw named Buddy and Justin. Willie's new haircut must have brought some good mojo:)
  30. k_dubb90

    k_dubb90 Well-Known Member

    It's gotta be that personal reasons issue whether it would be a loss in the fam or a break up, its hard as hell to focus on your job

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